[BUG] partial derivative product rule
Martin Jackson
martinj at ups.edu
Thu Mar 25 15:57:25 PST 2004
Tevian and Matthias have pointed the way to some mathematically
rigorous ways of thinking about the question Suda poses. Here's a
simple-minded take on the issue.
A physicist looking at this result might think in terms of
dimensions. If x,y,and z represent physical quantities (pressure,
volume, temperature in the Boyle's law example Matthias mentions in
his post) with specified physical dimensions, then this particular
product of partial derivatives is dimensionless. A physicist might
expect the product to equal 1 since there is no reason to expect a
pure number such 42 or pi to show up here. That is, one might expect
1 since the notation suggests that the changes in x,y and z all
cancel. The fact that the product is -1 might surprise a physicist.
On the other hand, the -1 here is a consequence of the fact that the
problem involves an odd number of variables. A more general result
is (in a spur of the moment notation)
partial(x_1)(x_2)*partial(x_2)(x_3)*...*partial(x_(n-1))(x_n)*partial(x_n)(x_1)=(-1)^n
In this light, the sign is just a consequence of how many variables
are involved. (To be even more general, we could use any permutation
of {x_1,x_2,...x_n} in the "numerators" of the partial derivatives
and any permutation in the "denominators." These are connected to
the faces of the octahedron in the approach Matthias gives.)
Martin
> >>>>> Suda Kunyosying writes:
>
> SK> Problem 54 of Stewart's section 15.5 can be proved easily enough. But
> SK> is there a physical situation we can use to explain why the product:
> SK> of partial derivatives (z wrt x, x wrt y, and y wrt z)= -1 ?
>
>One way to look at this involves the iterated coordinate transformations:
> (x,y) |--> (x,z) |--> (y,z) |--> (x,z)
>and the stated identity follows from the fact that multiplying Jacobian
>matrices of 2 (or more) transformations yields the Jacobian matrix of the
>composition of the transformations; in this case, the product of the three
>matrices must be the identity. (I think it is also necessary to use the
>composition property on two transformations in order to complete the proof.)
>
>A more geometric interpretation follows from the realization that the normal
>vector to the surface is just the (3-d) gradient of the function of
>3-variables which defines the surface, which can also be expressed in terms of
>the (2-d) gradients of the "graph" functions, so that the following vectors
>must be parallel:
> grad(f)-k, grad(g)-j, grad(h)-i
>This again yields the desired result after a bit of algebra, but I don't see
>an obvious way to finish the argument geometrically.
>
>I see no physical context here -- and it's easy to get lost in the notation,
>since different variables are being held constant in each differentiation.
>
>Tevian
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